jon: we're looking to cut two or three cents out of every federal dollar in spending, is that right? >> it is less, 10% or less, for across the government. which, you know, i can speak for, you know, just for myself. americans families over last several years have been cutting that sort of stuff from their budget. jon: for instance in, my world, if i were looking to cut some money, i could, you know, shave my cable tv bill. i could, maybe stop eating out at restaurants. or could i give away the family dog and tell me kids they can't go to college. and, it appears what the federal government is doing, is taking the most severe, sort of draconian measures, possible, under this system. >> to take this at face value, would be, would be to make the argument that the federal government, in, the monstrosity that is the federal government, does not have 10%, 9%, 8%, of waste and fraud and abuse that could be cut.